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Painting & Decorating

Paint coming off in sheets from new mistcoated plaster

Anonymous user 01/03/2024 - 2.56 PM

Hello, I did so much research and thought I did everything by the book, to my horror the paint just peeled away in sheets the following day. 1) Had the walls reskimmed, the walls dried and were very smooth almost marble-like 2) Waited about a month for all walls to dry, all light pink colour 3) Filled in any cracks, sanded down any imperfections, wiped all walls and ceilings free of dust 4) Sprayed the mist coated 50/50 Armestead contract matt + water, let it dry for a few weeks 5) Sanded down any imperfections again, wiped the dust 6) I used Tikkurila Optiva 5 matt paint to spray on the first layer. I didn't take off the masking tape at that point, just waited overnight to recoat 7) Put 2nd coat of Tikkurila Optiva 5, let dry 8) Started taking off the masking tape and the paint just dragged behind it 9) All the paint came off like sheets, what did I do wrong? #Hi John @ MacTaggart Renovations, thank you for taking the time to reply. I specifically chose a paint for mist coat which doesn't have any vinyl, I picked Armstead Contract Matt and diluted it 50:50. The layer was good enough and covered the fresh plaster well. The finishing coat was Tikkurila Optiva 5 which is acryl based so no vinyl there either. The bizarre thing is that Tikkurila comes off in sheets with the mist coat, but in some places mist coat remains and Tikkurila is harder to get off. Your comment about the Thin Coat made me think that perhaps the sprayer wasn't the best way to put on the mist coat in case the spray just landed on the plaster without actually "working it in" like a roller would? Thank you again! #Hi Timothy David Interiors, Thank you very much for your response, I will take a closer look at the reverse of the paint in case I can see any pink dust, but I didn't before, and as I mentioned, I wiped the dust, but with a dry cloth, so not wet which I suppose could have left some dust. I wiped the walls with the palm of my hand and there was barely a hint of whiteish dust, which could be from the mist coat. I will also invite a few other tradespeople to see if they can confirm if the plaster was too polished. I've started taking off the paint and mistcoat residue to hopefully get me back to bare plaster again, and I'm thinking of trying a primer this time applied with a roller to make sure this doesn't happen again.

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4 Answers

Anonymous user

Hi, I'm sorry to hear that you had a bad experience here. This sounds like classic vinyl paint which has not bonded to the surface. You mention that you sprayed the paint; We have been spraying fresh plaster for 10 years using Leyland Trade Matt Emulsion directly out of the pot with no added water. When spraying the mist coat you want the paint to "gel" onto the surface, this will ensure adequate coverage and allow the paint enough time to draw itself into the pores of the plaster via capillary action. THIN COATS will not work as they dry too quickly without bonding. Unfortunately, it sounds like the paint you have used had a very high vinyl content which is great for a final layer (Dulux Diamond Trade/Wipeable paints) but this is the exact opposite of what you want in a mist coat. Give the Leyland a go as it's very budget-friendly and hopefully this remedies your issue and ensure before you add your final coatings that your base layer is complete in opacity (Completely white throughout). Regards, John
Answered15 August 2021
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Timothy David Interiors

Rating: 5 out of 5
Tonypandy
You say a 'marble like finish'? I can only speculate on whats gone wrong, but these are the common scenarios.... Plaster that has been too highly polished is a bad job, over-trowelling in the final stages effects the way the plaster sets and a polished finish is ni good at all for paint application. Correctly finished plaster allows a mist coat to be absorbed into it and it is this that does the job of 'priming' the plaster. It does not 'seal' it as many believe and will remain porous, so it pays to dilute the first one or two topcoats. Word about dilution. Ive answered a lot of questions here about mist coating new plaster, i never quote dilution ratios, if i did the would be very foolish. A starting point is to read the instructions on the tub of paint for new plaster or contract matt. Most will say 10-15 %....thats all. Factors such as temperature and humidity effect the ratio but ultimately it is for the painter to decide the ratio, looking for a consistency where the paint is readily absorbed by the plaster. Dust.....interesting you say that rolling a mist coat may have been better, this is because working the paint well on the surface may bring any dust on the surface into the paint. But...after plaster is cured there will be dust formed on the surface. Many times i have had to remove previous coatings on jobs ive been called into. Often the paint comes away in sheets. And looking at the underside there is the pink dust that prevented the first coat from adhering. I always wipe cured plaster down before coating with a damp cloth or sponge before painting
Answered16 August 2021
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Anonymous user

Why are you filling on bare plaster 🤷‍♂️
Answered11 October 2021
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IDL DECOR

Rating: 5 out of 5
Larkhall
Use crown new plaster emulsion it's for mist coating thin down 40 % never use a paint for mist coating that's got vynal in it
Answered9 September 2021
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