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Electrical

Have found recent new wiring and socket not plastered in behind an appliance

Anonymous user 03/03/2024 - 3.38 PM

I’ve recently had a new kitchen fitted (the builders left 2 weeks ago), and as part of the work a couple of new double sockets were fitted and rewired by a qualified electrician recruited by the builder. We had some problems with the builders not finishing a number of things off properly and on checking behind the fridge we’ve found that one of the new electrical sockets has un filled holes in the plaster round it (holes big enough to get your fingers in). Also, the new wiring running along the wall from this same new socket is exposed in an open channel running from the socket for about 50 cm along the wall. The electrician has now sent me his bill, and on me paying it will issue a safety certificate - is the socket and cabling safe as they’ve left it and is it the electrician’s job to rectify this or the builder’s responsibility? Here’s an update because of the questions in some of your answers: - I took dated photos of this - the area in question is behind a small under the counter fridge and feeezer which are easy to move / get behind and need to be pulled out on a regular basis to be cleaned behind - so the area beneath the open cable channel and socket will be vacuumed regularly - the visible cable in the wall channel is insulated with plastic and clipped in - it’s not bare wiring - the surrounding plaster in this area was freshly done by the builder before the electrician did his bit, the chunks of wall missing around the socket and channel were caused I’m assuming by the electrician. - the builder was supposed to leave a high quality finish everywhere inc behind appliances but didn’t. After the main works were completed, the builder sent an employee to check for and rectify all snagging needed but he didn’t pick this up. There are other problems with the quality of finish. - the builder is refusing to return saying (in writing) that my builder contacted him to tell him not to return to us but my builder have confirmed (in writing) this is completely untrue and they’ve not spoken to him - the electrician has now seen the photos but has told me we just need to sort the chunks of wall missing around the socket ourselves - he hasn’t really answered my question directly about whether it’s safe - I’ve paid the electrician’s invoice now and the invoice states what I’m paying for includes a safety certificate - the builder chose and hired the electrician making the agreement of works needed and costs direct with the electrician (without my involvement) but the builder asked me to deal with the electrician’s invoice direct

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8 Answers

Anonymous user

I've just read your update. It is unfair to expect the electrician to make good around the chases. Unless he was specifically required to make good it is the BUILDERS responsibility. An electrician does not plaster. Of course it is safe. It is an aesthetic and quality of finish issue not a safety issue. PVC wires can safely be left exposed on the surface of walls and regularly are ie in garages. He has used PVC capping by the sound of it so it is quite normal. The fridge needs to be regularly pulled out to clean behind? Very commendable. Edit: If the builder hired the electrician there is no contractural relationship between you and the electrician. The builder is responsible for any remedial work. The electrician can only answer to the builder.
Answered21 March 2021
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Willow Electrical Services Limited

Rating: 5 out of 5
Shoreham By Sea
Are you able to gain access into the rear of the sockets via the stated holes in the surrounding plaster?? If so this should be rectified by the electrician. As long as the installed circuit is protected by an RCD, the outgoing cable could be surfaced mounted as I bet it runs behind units to another low level outlet that powers another white goods/inter grated item.
Answered21 March 2021
2

DEACON ELECTRICAL SERVICES

Rating: 5 out of 5
Grimsby
Just tell the electrician he has forgotten something, we have all done it. Doubt if it’s been done on purpose. Let him and the builder decide who is going to fill it in. My edit.... well on your edit, if the builder hired the electrician then that make the builder the main contractor. He should deal with this in conjunction with the electrician. Think both parties have given you a very poor service. If this was me, I would return and rectify it as a goodwill gesture. But I’m not either of these two people.
Answered21 March 2021
2

Thunder Sparks Ltd.

Rating: 5 out of 5
Billericay
It’s really the builders issue to plaster back. The electrician should only be taking to point and wiring. Making good isn’t his area of work. It is a bit of an open question on safety cert as ‘really’ he should be checking his second fix is appropriate, but his wiring and testing may well be sound. It’s the builders responsibility. But, warn the sparky that it’s going to happen and he ‘may’ wish to check his wiring tests afterwards to make sure.
Answered21 March 2021
2

Mainstage Electrical

Rating: 5 out of 5
Bethnal Green, London
Im sure there will be many opinions on this. I would personally say that its the electricians job to ensure the wiring and connections are suitably protected from fingers and the such and should be rectified by the electrician as he shouldn't have signed this off as ok even if it's behind the fridge. Especially because in '2nd fix' he would most likely have been the last person to come in and connect that faceplate back. Without seeing it, its hard to comment on the installation but he may well just whack some filler in the gap though if you have exposed cabling then I would say that the frontplate can't be on properly or the back-box is not installed properly. Was the plaster fresh or is it an old wall? Additionally,... Is the cable clipped direct to the wall or are you seeing bare wire? Clipped to the wall is ok if it's appropriate for the location and won't get damaged and protected within reason.
Answered21 March 2021
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Anonymous user

The builder should've plastered around the sockets but having said that, if the holes are big enough to get your fingers in & access the insides of the socket then maybe the Electrician should've either filled the holes themselves or liaised with the builder to do this before completing the Electrical certificate, unless of course the holes were somehow caused afterwards. Live parts should not be accessible to touch without the use of a tool to remove covers. As for the exposed wiring, this is not a non-compliance but rather an aesthetic issue (assuming the wiring is double insulated ie grey twin & earth type cable), the cable should however be adequately supported & not pose a risk of getting snagged on anything. As for the Electrician sending the certificate on payment of invoice, the certificate should be sent first, this completes the job & is what you're paying for, the Electrician is not allowed to withhold certificates until payment is received. Unfortunately this could be a case of the electrician & builder passing the book to each other. I would enquire with the Electrician first, if there are accessible live parts then this needs correcting promptly, especially if you have young children who are likely to mess around with it.
Answered21 March 2021
1

RJE Electrical

Rating: 5 out of 5
Wisbech
The first question is has the cable that is in the chase been run in a plastic/ metal protection, i.e. capping or oval conduit as you need some kind of protection. There is always a grey area as to who fills the chase. This is the problem when 2 trades work together, sometimes there is a confusion. Whenever I chase a socket I will quote to fill and make good, but will inform the client that it will not be to a plasterers finish. If the electrician was told by the builder that all chases would be done for them then I would expect the builder to make good the chases. You need to ask the electrician what they were asked to do by the builder and ask the builder the same. Someone needs to finish the job. Hope this helps
Answered21 March 2021
1

Alpha electrics

Rating: 5 out of 5
Craigavon
Any Electricial enclosure you can get a 1mm wire into is a fail on an Electricial installation condition report. Any cabling not mechanically protected ie pvc/pvc cabling below 2 mtrs is again not permitted in the 18TH Edition regulations. Electrician responsible for leaving works safe and to the regulations.
Answered21 March 2021
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