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Roofing

Interstitial condensation on new flat roof?

Anonymous user 03/03/2024 - 3.36 PM

New flat roof as part of loft conversion. Flat roof area is about 4x5m. Construction is with a cold roof (architect specified warm, builder changed it to cold to maximise height), EDPM on OSB, 50mm air gap then 150mm kingspan between the joists and 25mm underneath. Vented along the length (ie 4m) Kingspan is taped on the upper surface. Wiring rungs on top of Kingspan and comes through in 6 places for surface mounted downlights (but obviously wires come though skim) Went up in summer, no leaks with really heavy rain, now it's got cold and snowed there is water coming in down wires and in the ceiling - drip drip drip. Room is currently unused, drip continues if heated or unheated. Builder has been back and looked with an endoscope, thinks it's condensation Plan is for mushroom vents x 4-6 Does this sound like a plan? Will this work? We're in NW England 17/01 -> thanks very much for all the details and advice. Builder's opinion is cold roof allows it to be lower as the insulation can sit between the rafters rather than on top. We are very height limited (only just 1.9m internally). How would you build a warm roof without raising the height of the roof please? (or using very expensive insulation options?) It's built now but not yet signed off by BC. My understanding is that cold roofs are OK in England but not in Scotland, is this correct? The vapour barrier is yes, as you say, the taped upper surface of the kingspan. Then there's the plaster skim, but obviously this has 6-7 holes in it for the the lighting wires to come through (which must also allow some vapour, as 1-2 of them have water dripping down them....) And yes, the roof is ventilated along its 4m length on both sides, 50mm, checked with an endoscope and definitely not blocked, and consistent 50mm air gap underneath deck. There's no other obstructions, end-terraced house but no others have dormers I've been up on the roof this morning with food dye in a watering can to try and rule out a leak in the EDPM/where it meets the roof!

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3 Answers

A&J Surveyors Ltd

Rating: 5 out of 5
Newent
By not following the architects advice the builder is in contravention of current building regulations for a flat roof. Thus should not have been signed off by BC....All new roofs or where refurbished they should be converted to a warm roof. One valve on an area of 20m2 would be sufficient to prevent condensation along with the ventilation you have described but we should not be ventilating roofs anymore they should be unvented warm roofs. Your deck will fail earlier than stated due to interstitial condensation. It just not the way it should be done....(as of 2010). KR Drew @ Fibretechs Edit 17/10 You would only need to raise the deck by another 140mm, can this not be raised with a lap joint over the ridge line? VB & 120mm insulation on existing deck 18mm OSB T&G 2mm GRP Warm roof complete. KR Drew
Answered17 January 2021
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Af building services

Rating: 5 out of 5
Sheffield
Hello . Without stating the obvious he should have stuck with the warm roof. If it is condensation the mushroom vents will help but not sure if it would be a 100% cure but certainly worth trying and monitoring over the coming months.
Answered16 January 2021
1

Cenve Limited

Rating: 4.9 out of 5
Chester
Couple of observations on your description: 1. Is the vapour barrier being provided by the Kingspan - you stated that this is taped on the top. As the VP should be on the 'warm' side then the underside of the Kinspan should be taped to maintain a seal preventing any moisture in the warm air coming into contact with the 'cold' side of the insulation; 2. You state that the roof is vented along its length. Is this fully, unobstructed, through ventilation so you get full air flow across the insulation. Adding additional vents would probably help but that leads you to think the existing ventilation is not adequate in the first place - this being the case this should be interrogated prior to undertaking a, relatively substantial, retro fitted solution.
Answered17 January 2021
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