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Is it fair for builder to charge client for delays caused by waiting for building control?

Anonymous user 23/02/2024 - 3.20 PM

Back in August we appointed a builder, who quoted and we signed a contract. At the start A hole was found under the corner of our existing house when excavating for the foundations for our extension. building control and structural engineer came out and there were several days of discussion between them and builder before a decision as to how the builder should deal with the situation. In the meantime the builder followed one course of actin which he said was as advised by the structural engineer, but the view of the building control inspector was different which added to further delays and costs to us in extra structural engineer calculations which we paid). At the time the builder did not inform us that this would cost us extra in terms of labour. We were absolutely acceptant of the extra costs that were required to deal with digging further foundations to sort out the hole, once building regs and the structural engineer had come to an agreement, before the rest of the project could get underway. However now we are being held to ransom by our builder asking for payment equivalent to the day rate of several labourers for several days where no work was carried out due to this delay, and that he will not come back onto site until we pay this (plus some other costs that are for jobs unfinished, but our contract terms state that we pay in instalments on completion of the steps of each job area and he is asking for things as if they are completed when they are not even started). Is it reasonable to assume that there are unforeseen issues with starting an extension and excavating and that building regulations can cause unexpected delays and that accordingly the builder should be are of this and has to manage his workers onto other areas of either our project or other projects he has been working on? And that therefore this is not a fair cost to invoice a client? Is it reasonable professional behaviour to hold customers to ransom in this way? How does one move forward from this situation? We have been fair customers paying invoices when they arrive (and well within the contract terms) and we've even paid some items In full even when they have not yet been completed. Any advice of what is fair and what we should do would be helpful. Thanks

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Anonymous user

Hi, My name is Mike and I am a CIOB qualified site manager with over 35 years of extensive construction experience. I am going to have to tell you that I disagree with all of the advice that you have been given previously on this post, but I will validate why; Firstly it would appear that having signed a contract with your builder that the builder came with a good reputation and that the contract was all above board and based upon a fixed quotation based upon a schedule of works and construction drawings. That said I cannot comment upon the terms of the said contract, but in essence this is all good practice. However there is no such thing as an all in fixed quotation, the fixed part of any quotation is only for what is predefined within the schedule of works ! Secondly, you have to be realistic before you start and expect that there will be something unforeseen that will crop up along the way, it inevitably always does. It is good practice to have a contingency fund of 10-15% to cover for this eventuality as well as any changes that you may wish to make to specific details, which again is quite the norm. It is not fair for a contractor to have to suffer a loss for something that is unforeseen like this and it would appear that he took the correct course of action in calling in the structural engineer (who obviously will charge for his services) and building control. He then proceeded with a course of action as directed by the structural engineer which is again the correct procedure, as building control are only there to inspect that the works are being carried out in the manner laid out buy the design team (i.e the drawings and calculations from an architect or engineer) and that it complies with building regulations, the are not there to direct works on site ! Their role is to observe and check then sign off. The problem you have now is caused purely by the bureaucracy of building control who would want to have any new structural design and calculations checked by their own engineers etc, now that isn't fair to the contractor if he is suffering loss due to this delay.... It is unfortunate however this is all unforeseen and it certainly does not look as if he has acted inappropriately. You have to be fair and consider that you will have given your contractor a start date and he would have given you a timescale for the job, in doing so he has deployed employees within his work schedule for that time. When a delay of this nature occurs it is beyond his control and it inevitably incurs a cost. If he has invoiced you simply for this unforeseen cost due to this delay at only the cost he has incurred himself then I fail to see where he has acted unfairly. It can be that contractors can redeploy there staff elsewhere or even stand men down but even this can incur costs and it can then take time to re-mobilise back to your project. He could absorb the cost if it is minimal and he feels he could stand it as an act of goodwill, but in essence in charging his costs for the delay he has not done anything unfairly. As for invoicing for work that he has not completed the as I have said I cannot comment upon your contract, however it is common practice to have valuations (usually monthly) where a percentage estimate for incomplete works at the stage can be invoiced as well as for materials delivered to site, but I do agree with you if he is requesting full payment up front for works that he has not done that he is not acting in accordance with any contract or indeed what could be deemed good practice. To move this forward my advice would be to invite him to meet you onsite where you can have a discussion as to what he feels his losses are due to the unforeseen delay, you can put your opinion across and come to an agreement based upon a fair percentage to release a payment and he can give an undertaking likewise as to when he can return to finish the project for you.
Answered12 July 2020
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Anonymous user

When carrying out this kind of work a works schedule should have been made available .which states amounts for each job which is paid on completion of each job .I would not pay him anymore until job is completed and as for extra no way .
Answered12 December 2018
4

PR Developments

Rating: 5 out of 5
Truro
Hi you should certainly not pay your builder for the unforeseen delay as you say it is not professional way to act. I certainly wouldn't of asked for payment hope you got sorted.
Answered16 January 2019
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Anonymous user

Unless he has stated this in the contract no leg to stand on 👍
Answered5 February 2019
2

Anonymous user

Simple answer no. Welcome to the building trade is my motto. some times jobs don’t run smoothly things happens things get resolved every goes home happy. I don’t see why you should be penalised for some thing that’s out of your control. People make mistakes that’s what makes us human we all can’t be perfect like him he must be from another world pmsl.
Answered19 November 2019
2

Anonymous user

I would tell him to take a hike. You can’t be expected to pay wages for workers sitting in their house. The guy probably won’t even pay the labourers their wage. I would definitely look for someone else.
Answered9 December 2018
1

Anonymous user

No, not at all. Unless he has stated it in the contract I wouldn't pay that.
Answered12 December 2018
1

JP Design & Build

Rating: 5 out of 5
Oxford
The overall answer is NO! Delays in building control most definitely does not come out of the clients pocket.... bonkers!
Answered16 May 2023
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