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Plastering & Rendering

Do I need to put noggins in the joists (in loft) in order to repair cracks in the ceiling

Anonymous user 09/03/2024 - 2.35 PM

I need repair work doing to my ceiling and I have been told by a plasterer that in order to fix the cracks on my ceiling (the crack runs in a straight line the length of the ceiling) noggins will need to be put into the joists in the loft so that the screws can attach to this. The reason he said for this was that the joists run across the loft not length ways with the crack. Does this sound reasonable? The plasterer seemed to be heavily in favour of boarding over the ceiling, and did not discuss other options. I do not want to board over the ceiling because it will lower it, and the ceiling is already low enough. I'm looking for other solutions. Thank you.

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pert project design

Rating: 5 out of 5
Abbots Langley
I`m not a plasterer but I do a lot of renovating to mine and others` properties and I often find that a problem needs deeper investigation and analysis perhaps even by a professional such as a building surveyor. You do not say whether this is a ceiling below a loft with access above or below a floor in which case access from above is likely to be difficult. Also you do not say whether it is a plasterboard ceiling or an old lath and plaster type. Joists in ceilings are usually at 400mm or 450mm centres and if there is a significant length of plasterboard unfixed then it will not be stable. It is possible and from what your plasterer says that a significant length of board is not supported at its edges. If there is access to the ceiling from above, it is not very difficult to fit in a few noggings between existing ceiling joists to support the unsupported board edges. Thereafter simply screw the plasterboard back to the new noggings . However you may find that the board has distorted and a fair bit of plaster might crack when you push it back to meet the noggings. To cover the screw holes simply use "easi fill " or some other drywall plaster which you can leave a bit proud and then sand down with a palm sander (easy amateur job but plenty mess though!) Re-boarding over the exsiting ceiling will not reduce the height noticeably as 9.5mm plasterboard can be used provided there are adequate numbers of joists and noggings to fix to. If your ceiling is lath and plaster then you may wish to consider re-boarding or removing the laths, augmenting the framing as necessary and installing a completely new ceiling boarding throughout . If there is not adequate framing for the ceiling and access is not possible then it is possible to frame over the joists with approx 45x45 softwood framing at 400mm centres and to apply plasterboard to that. Personally if the latter is under consideration I would always prefer to expose the existing joists above, inspect and assess the condition of those and repair those as necessary, then consider what to do; whether fix to existing joists or frame over the underside of the joists to give a level ceiling. I`ve seen so many people allow contractors to cover up rotten timbers and unstable floor joists . I usually make myself very unpopular when I point this out but such an occasion is a good opportunity to replace rotten or inadequate joists and avoid the spread of rot. Bathrooms and kitchens in particular often suffer from a rotten joist or two. You may find that if you are in a flat that the ceiling has 2 layers board for fire regulations compliance so be aware of that too Boarding over sounds like a common solution but I`d use this as an opportunity to inspect a bit more deeply and get to the core of the problem which at the end of the day might be as simple as your plasterer suggests. Good luck
Answered1 December 2015
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Anonymous user

I am plasterer skrim tape the crack and any others reskim ceiling noggins are to space the joists and prevent movement so his solution is for long term but not for what he said
Answered26 September 2020
1

Norman Styles

Rating: 5 out of 5
Redhill
A loft conversion should have an independent floor. The problem you have is due to boarding out on the existing ceiling rafters. This I am afraid is a botch job, you will never get rid of this problem. They are ceiling rafters NOT JOISTS!
Answered27 September 2022
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P carter

Rating: 5 out of 5
Southend On Sea
Generally cracks will reappear , and also the surface of your existing ceiling might be whitewashed or not suitable for skimming . Pull down and re board for the best job or just overboard making sure not to have cuts along the same line .
Answered24 November 2022
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a.rodi

Rating: 5 out of 5
Leeds
Hi, problem is,when you are waking about in your loft the joists are not strong enough an this transmits through to your ceiling below.it’s hard to picture what you describe without seeing but you mentioned cracks length of ceiling.this is more likely down to the joist twisting,also depends if your ceiling is plasterboard or old wooden lath an lime plaster.
Answered30 June 2023
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