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Tiling

Grout never dries in shower area and produces what looks like white salt on the grout

Anonymous user 03/03/2024 - 3.06 PM

We had a 'professional bathroom installer' put in a tiled shower floor. There is under floor heating under the whole floor, including the shower area, which is a walk in, flush floor. The grout never dries in the shower area and produces what looks like white salt on the grout if this shower is not used for a few days. Water bleeds up through the grout in the shower area. We have been told that the tiles have not been 'buttered' correctly when they were laid & that the floor is not considered to have failed until a tile/s actually lift away from the adhesive. Company refuse to acknowledge fault on the basis 'it works and functions' Any opinion or advice appreciated. Additional Hello, The tiles are Porcelain, the grout is brown. We were told it was Mapei but the Mapei Regional Manager says it is not their grout (he showed us their colours & it's nothing like their colours). We live in the Lake District, so a very soft water area. It was the Mapei Manager that showed us that water is coming up through the grout. He also demonstrated that there are hollow areas under the tiles. We think the grout is Granfix but have reason to believe a substance called DT1 was added to the grout. Additional Thank you for your advice. If the shower floor tiles require lifting and re-installing, would the whole floor need to be relaid? Wherever water is on the tiles we get the salt substance on the grout. We didn't specify Granfix grout and were in fact told it was Mapei Ultracolour. Since the Mapei Manager has inspected the floor and informed us the grout is not theirs, we were then told it was Granfix grout. We need to understand if this problem is isolated to the shower area or affects the tiling to the whole floor making it all compromised. As there is a below tile shower tray and underfloor heating, how far will 'lifting the floor and re-laying the tiles need to go? I do really appreciate the answers that have been sent. Additional Yes, the floor was tanked before tiling. As to the underfloor heating being screeded before tiling, I'm not really sure. I do know that the tiler found it difficult to lay the tiles over the underfloor heating wires, he complained that it was a """ ache to get the tiles level because there was under floor heating on the slope of the tray, causing 'lumps and bumps' Not sure if this indicates it was screeded or not! Also, if the shower area alone can be relaid, how can a match to rest of floor be made with new tiles or would the same tiles be re-usable? Replies are very much appreciated

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2 Answers

M.K.Brown

Rating: 5 out of 5
Brighton
Hi again Ok well it sounds like there wasn't a screed applied to the underfloor heating wires and that the tiles were laid straight onto the wires. I am not happy that the wires were laid onto the slope of the actual shower tray. There was no need to run wires there simply because the hot water from the shower falling onto the tiles in that area will keep the tiles warm underfoot. The wire should have been laid up to the shower tray and a screed applied to protect the wires and to make it level to tile onto. The problem you now have is that if you pull up the tiles, you will damage the wires anyway and the whole floor will have to come up and be relaid because the underfloor heating mat won't work. I would contact the company that installed it for you. Give them the option of putting the work right and if they refuse then inform them that you are seeking to take legal action against them. Malcolm
Answered14 March 2014
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Anonymous user

In my opinion the floor has too many voids under the tiles, that's why you have water coming out of the joints giving a salt deposit on the grout, the tiling should have been fixed with a solid bed to stop water ingress, it can make a difference between hard and soft water but normally to the color the grout should have set even if it was Granfix which in my opinion is a cheap grout, the only solution is to have the floor lifted and redone using the correct procedure. I also can not see that the company can refuse acknowledgement when there is something clearly wrong with their work, my advice is to get another tiler to have a look. Additional Hi, it's hard to say if you could use the same tile if they come up clean it could be ok, he might of dot & dab the tiles hence the trapped water, but if he has given them a solid bed then it might be hard to save them, all this worry should not be on you, it's with company that did the work, if they don't play ball, then take legal action as from the comments you have made it sounds like the floor is not fit for purpose. And as for them to say it works and functions is completely wrong, the floor is tiled and grouted to stop any water ingress which this is not the case. I am dead against people like this who shirk their responsibilities, giving tilers a bad name.
Answered13 March 2014
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