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Is a damp proof course really worth it?

Anonymous user 19 February 2011 - 9.14 PM

OK, I have a bit of building experience helping out my mates when I was younger. I was always suspicious of DPC. What I'm talking about is the black plastic sheets that are put in between the bricks/blocks/stone a few courses up from the foundations. I understand that it's to stop the damp from the ground from rising up into the wall, though I'm not sure really how big of a problem this actually is. Anyway, I always cringed about the structural integrity. If you've ever accidentally bumped the wall when it's being built a few courses up from the damp proof course, you'll know what I mean. It shifts very easily - it's obviously a weak spot in the wall. Maybe when everything is built up and the roof is on, you don't have to worry about it, but you still have to admit that you are compromising the strength of a wall with a DPC, versus one without. And the risk is that it gets so ingrained in a bricklayers habits that people overuse it. I mean I've actually seen garden walls and exterior pillars with a DPC. One pillar had shifted 3-4 inches at the DPC and it was supporting a roof, covering a walkway at a supermarket. That one was obviously a forehead slapper and really dangerous, but does anyone share my general DPC scepticism?

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Anonymous user

Dpc should be bedded on mortar, and not dry laid. I have never seen any walls move using this method. If you have seen that pillar moved 3/4 inches out side the super market it was probably a ram raider had hit it with his car.

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20 February 2011

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Anonymous user

I do a lot of plastering and rendering and you can definetly tell the difference between a wall that has damp course and a wall that doesnt. A wall that doesnt have dpc within 12 months will start to turn green with moss and constantly be wet, render doesnt stand a chance on a wall with no protection from damp, within 12 months or so it will start to bubble and fall off the wall. If there is no damp proof on a wall for example a garden wall and it needs sand and cement rendering for example, it would need to be suitably prepared with either a felt backing, damp proof membrane and then meshing fixed with mechanical fixings to create a key or application of a sand and cement tanking system to stop damp penetration into the sand and cement. If it is not being rendered you will still have problems in years to come with the mortar breaking down and just starting to crumble and worse still the face of the bricks blowing. If a wall is being painted again this will start to bubble and peel off. A lot of builders overlook dpc on garden walls etc but for how much it costs and the time it takes to apply it saves a lot of expense in years to come.

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19 February 2011

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JNR Building LTD
Rating: 5 out of 55571 reviews
Norwich

Id say a damp proof is a defo for any building project. As long as its beddded down i dont see it moving. Ive come a cross a lot of bricklayers who dont bother bedding the the dpc and that in my eyes is a defo no no, an obvious weak spot. As other people have mentioned with out a dpc in time the face of the bricks will blow and the motar joints get eaten away as damp travels up the wall.If fitted properly its doing its job with out weakening the wall. plus the weight of the structure above pushing down on it isnt going to let it move. With regards to garden walls etc i normally use 2 course of engineering bricks to act as the dpc as they dont let the moisture travel up the wall. hope this helps Julian

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20 February 2011

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Creative Construction and Design (CCD )
Rating: 4.8 out of 54.85104 reviews
Norwich

Well this is a great question to all you Builders out there I spend most of my time trying to rectify your handy work 1) Why do you so called render a property that is constructed with the wonderfull Norfolk red brick also why do you use cement on the pointing of these property’s 2) Why do you take out wood floors and lay concrete floors most of my work is caused by so called Builders 3) The houses that where built in the early years are constructed this way and they should be repaired as they was built 4) I look at so many property’s and I find it sad when you see them crumbling due to bad workmanship Air Vents under wood floors are there for a reason not to fill up with concrete Walls that had lime mortar Pointing on the older property’s Lime mortar should be used Not covering up with your favouret plaster Board I always warn people about plaster board in old property walls need to breath / Floors need to breath Rising Damp is my speciality but you have to treat it with respect These are a lot of things that are done that causes rising Damp Wake up you so called Builders

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29 June 2018

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Anonymous user

Just built a garden wall last month. Used 2 courses of red engineering bricks as the dpc.With Buff coloured bricks they look good to the eye. customer was pleased.

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11 March 2011

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R.Hughes Building and Conservation Ltd
Rating: 5 out of 55540 reviews
Wellingborough

I dont think this is an issue with housing because of the way it is laid, there is always a key on the bricks and mortar above and below hence no compromise on the strength and stability of the building. However, with garden walls it can be an issue due to their height and chances of being knocked/shunted by pedestrians or vehicles. You should always use two courses (150mm) of engineering bricks on a garden wall to stop the damp rising instead of dpc. A lot of brickies dont do this and it should be standard practice! Rick

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20 February 2011

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northview property mainenance
Rating: 5 out of 55563 reviews
Welling

i used to question a old bricky about this. so we got a brick put on muck then dpm then more muck then another brick. left it over night and then tryed to pull it apart and, yes do do stick quiet well. i was surprised...roy

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19 February 2011

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A.T.Brickwork
Rating: 5 out of 5552 reviews
Worthing

Dpc has two functions, it stops damp ingress/progress which is vital; and it allows the building to move (expand/contract) on the dpc, crazy I know, but the weight of the building keeps it in place. You would imagine it would just slide off but it doesn't.

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18 April 2011

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Anonymous user

Hi there, reading your question with interest & thought i would share this with you. I've lived in a 1940's ex-council house for nearly 10 years which has a plastic damp proof membrane. It's a big,solid well-built property practically covered in god knows how many tonnes of roughcast but the whole house at some point in the past has shifted to one side about an inch on the DPM! Not sure how commonplace this is a whole house moving on it but thankfully though ever since i have been here it hasn't got any worse and no problems with damp! The mrs keeps saying one day were going to wake up above next doors driveway! HaHa Some food for thought for you ;)

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19 February 2011

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Anonymous user

in the old days slate and lead are used as dpc but if you want to have a wooden floor in your house i sugest putting in a dpc it will also comform to building regs ?and also stop the smell of rotting wood.(molurios lacromons)if anybody can spell it better shout

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19 February 2011

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Damp Cure Services
Rating: 5 out of 555106 reviews
King's Lynn

Dpc is a barrier and it's use is more practical than not. However, so many people in this country get conned out of money by it's over reliance to every single damp problem at lower wall levels. The Dutch do not use damp course and there is massive divisions to the issue of rising damp and the damp proofing industry. What is relevant to the majority of properties is simply keeping the exterior ground level lower than the internal floor level.

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16 January 2019

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